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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NTW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2017 at 3:39pm
Ed - yes all in all, a better result than I feared. It was a diesel specialist that came recommended.

Scouse - yes they did mention something along those lines which was partly why it took so long.

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I just joined so sorry this is too late as an option but I did this on my Mazda 6 and it worked an absolute treat!

I had the DPF completely removed and it was deleted from the ECU and engine remapped. Cost £270 and resulted in more power, better fuel economy and no more DPF problems.

If it happens again you might want to consider this as an option.....
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That sounds great but doesn't it render the car an MOT failure?
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No it doesn't. 

The MOT test part relating to the DPF is a visual inspection to see that it's there. When it's removed the company take out the insides of it and leave the canister in place so it appears to be there. It's a bit cheeky I know, but solves a whole world of problems. Emissions are not effected so much as to cause the car to fail. 



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Yes having googled it, you are absolutely right.

However, it seems the government is getting wise to this and may be introducing a particulate test into the MOT in the future.
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Originally posted by NTW NTW wrote:


 the government is getting wise to this and may be introducing a particulate test into the MOT in the future.

They have already introduced further tests and several thousand have come a cropper.
Not only do you fail the MOT with a DPF removed, but you are then fined, and also charged with Tax evasion.  Additionally the removal of designated equipment that was included in the original classification of the vehicle renders the vehicle not true to compliance and then results in your insurance being invalid so you then end up with a fine (and points) for driving without insurance.

Your choice chaps.   

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Originally posted by Aussie Ed Aussie Ed wrote:

They have already introduced further tests and several thousand have come a cropper. Not only do you fail the MOT with a DPF removed, but you are then fined, and also charged with Tax evasion.  Additionally the removal of designated equipment that was included in the original classification of the vehicle renders the vehicle not true to compliance and then results in your insurance being invalid so you then end up with a fine (and points) for driving without insurance.
Your choice chaps.

A bit draconian there Ed, my Antara doesn't meet the manufacturers claimed fuel consumption figures, never has or will do. Does that mean I should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law because I am polluting more than I should?

re the several thousand that have come a cropper already, you wouldn't have a link to that info would you? I did find an item on the Guardian which said that something over a thousand had been caught but I think that was predominantly cases of missing DPF found since the introduction of the visual check during MOT's in Feb 2014. The rest of the newspaper report seemed high in hype and short on facts, had quotes like "studies show" "estimations" and were mainly from people who had an axe to grind in this business. They were calling for the government to re-introduce spot checks on vehicles as they used to but these were discontinued after it was found that only two cases were found in ten years of testing.  
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My car has had no issues with the last 3 MOT's, most recent in July last year, perhaps I got lucky..... 

I've not yet heard of any additional tests other then a visual check for the DPF but it is likely I guess to come along one day. Not sure how they will check it though as they are not going to cut into the DPF to check the insides are still there? The emissions are still in the legal limit too. Perhaps the ECU will show no DPF is connected to the car.....


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Originally posted by Victor Victor wrote:

Originally posted by Aussie Ed Aussie Ed wrote:

the removal of designated equipment that was included in the original classification of the vehicle renders the vehicle not true to compliance and then results in your insurance being invalid so you then end up with a fine (and points) for driving without insurance.

my Antara doesn't meet the manufacturers claimed fuel consumption figures, never has or will do. Does that mean I should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law because I am polluting more than I should?


Victor, you seem to be missing/twisting the point. I've referred to International Construction compliance of the vehicle as approved. Removal of or alterations to the vehicle 'as built' status should be recorded with the insurers. Not to do so technically gives the insurance company an opt out and the police scope to apply points for not being insured. 
I'm certainly not challenging the rip off claims by manufacturers for fuel consumption which is achieved on a 'false journey' that doesnt represent real life use for any of us.

On the question of clamping down on DPF removal - lets watch this space.
  
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Hi, I have just bought a Captiva. The DPF light has come on and I drove 15 mles on high revs and it was still on, and the fan came on when I stopped (it's LOUD!). What do I need to do to get the light to go off? Is this really every few hundred miles? 

It's done 33k to date. 

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