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My wife smell burning while reversing within 300 yards, the car had stalled 3 times and next it was full of smoke. Its a 61 plate purchased in Dec 2011 with 12,500 miles on the clock
AA diagnosed a gearbox linkage problem, he did a quick test drive and confirmed the clutch lookedok and that it wasnt slipping.



Itook it to the dealer on, they have diagnosed clutch failure and this has caused the gearbox failure and to add matters worse I have a burnt flywheel and they are asking me for almost 2000 pound to fix it.Its not under warranty.




I cant understand how a clutch causes a gearbox to fail, they are independent units.

And how do you burn a flywheel, warp it with heat, yes maybe .. but burn it, what's it made from "cheese"



Anyone else hada similarproblem as Im very interested to hear the outcome



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I also can not see how the gear box can be affected, the clutch only puts the engines revolutions through to the gearbox, if it slips the gearbox is only then provided with less revolutions than the engine is providing so in theory giving the gearbox less torque to deal with than normal. If the clutch does not bite and starts to slip and you accelerate even more you get at the clutch the equivalent of boy racers doing donuts and smoking their tyres, if not done for too long the clutch after a bit of use should return to normal the smoke is the clutches friction material getting hot and burning some of its bonding resin, alsowith the heat you can blue the pressure plate or the flywheel this also should not be detrimental and with a bit of normal use polish its self back up. I can remember after buying a new passat trying to pull up a trees roots with a tow rope, I gave it some welly and ended up with a slipping clutch and clouds of smoke with a right stink the clutch did settle down and the car ended up doing nearly 200,000 miles on the original clutch till I ended up writing the car off. So if the clutch feels a bit funny at first give it a chance to settle back down, and if it does I recommend leave well alone.
 

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See the posts elsewhere for clutch and flywheel on e-bay for about £400 ,dealer prices will be higher for their higher labour charges and higher parts prices. A typical clutch and dual mass flywheel replacement is £1200 to £1400 , i suggest you get a written quote from them, but it sounds as if they have already dismantled the bits and got you by the short and curlies... If the gearbox had a serious problem it would be a lot more, so make sure you get that written quote. Can you tell us what engine you have 2.0 or 2.2?

Sadly will not be covered by warranty, you don't know how previous owners driving style has affected the dual mass flywheel. if you go to honestjohn.co.uk you can find an explanation of how it all works.

Bit late for you, but i would never advise buying any used car (even newish) with a particulate filter or dual mass flywheel.
 

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<strong ="bbcode bold">Adual mass fly wheel generally also contains an over torque friction release, so if it gets suddenly overloaded, rather than damage the springs, it slips.This iswhy you got the slipping in the first place[/B]
 

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when i reverse my boat, i always get a smell of burning!!, on the net, other people have had the same problem too!!!, and iits not from riding the clutch!!
 

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In answer to cruzetype's question of whether its a 2.0 or 2.2, it muxt be a 2.2 like mine as its a 61 plate like mine, and yet another thing to add to the growinglist of what could go wrong!
 

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Think the point may be lost here....


If it is a 61 plate, it is under 3 years (or 5 years if Warranty is now 5), so is still under Warranty.



This failure is not normal wear n' tear, so I suggest you tear a strip off the dealer and say it IS a warranty job.



You have either gone to a bad dealer or they are trying to fleece you.



As for the burning smell when reversing. Others have reported exactly the same on this site, and have had similar failures and run in with dealers. Suggest you have a search for some of the threads.



I've never experienced it, but I have the original Captiva (Original sounds better than an old one, as it is only a 2008 model)
 

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Hi All May have confused some people

It was bought new, I have clocked 12500miles on since Dec 2011.. Its a 2.0 Litre engine
My previous car did over 100,000 and current second car is up at 95,000 miles
Never had to replace the clutch in either of these, so thats what I think about riding the clutch.
 

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Are you sure its a 2.0 litre engine? Thought the new Captiva, which i'm assuming yours is (61 plate, new in Dec 2011), was only available in a 2.2 in this country?
 

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Skint... It is under warranty, so push the dealer to deal with it as a warranty claim.
There are other posts on this site, with exactly the same problem, so print some of them out, take them with you and if they try it on, ie. say you have been riding the clutch, show them that there are others with the same problem.

There is obviously a fault here which plagues some cars and not all. Either way, it is a fault, I would bet that Chevy know about it, but are trying to pull a fast one.

You have to fight them, I'm afraid. I know that isn't easy, but trust me, you (providing you have told the truth here, which I believe you have) are in the right.
 

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Skint, I just did a Google search for chevrolet captiva clutch and flywheel problems and you are by no means on your own here...
Just 2 of the returned searches...

http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=45087

"I just got my 2008 Chev Captiva 2.4 AWD back from the GM dealer after having the
clutch replaced. Vehicle is 1 year old with 26,500km on the clock. The car
spends all it time on paved roads, so when the clutch started burning, I was
very concerned.

GM Roodepoort/Krugersdorp was great and installed a new
clutch, pressure plate and release bearing under warranty. They report finding a
white powder in the gearbox. (maybe the friction surface that burned off?)"


http://www.rac.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?13833-Captiva-Antara-Clutch-failure

"My 2.5 year old manual diesel Captiva has developed clutch slip after only 24000 miles and Chevrolet refuse to see it as a warranty issue - the main dealers want £1900 to carry out the repair...(I am not used to such a short lifespan for a clutch - my old Ford Escort went over 100,000 on the same clutch linings so it's not the way I drive)
Looking on the web there seem to be quite a number of reports of premature clutch failure on the Captiva and the almost identical Vauxhall Antara.
Is this really an inherent fault that they are simply relucant to own up to and are there other owners of these cars with similar problems?"

posts an update later with ...

"Update:
The clutch slip was caused by a leaking rear main oil seal - the clutch lining was worn down to the rivets (oil softens the friction material) and the clutch housing was coated with grey oily gunk. The flywheel looked damaged too...
The good news is that Chevrolet have agreed to do it as a warranty job so they will cover the (huge) labour costs and the oil seal at least - the dealers were not sure if Chevrolet were going to cover the whole cost of the clutch parts so I'll wait and see on that.
Thanks to Halesowen Motor House for sorting this out for me."



and that was just off the 1st page of the Google search....


I'll say it again, print these out, especially the one from the RAC forum, as that is a UK poster. Take it to your dealer, and insist that they take this seriously as a WARRANTY job, as there is a precedent made by Chevrolet.

Hope this helps
 
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